Tuesday, September 19, 2006

From The Australian:

Chinese dissident doubts organ Harvest claim
Rowan Callick, China correspondent
August 14, 2006

HARRY Wu, one of the most respected Chinese dissident leaders, has cast crucial doubt on Falun Gong claims that body parts have been extracted from 6000 followers of the sect at a secret concentration camp in northeast China.


Blogger rez red said...

Thank you for posting on my blog. While I'm not sure I agree with your views, I do appreciate that you've taken the time to comment. I'm looking forward to rereading your views carefully, and perhaps we can engage in a bit of a debate.

Also, (and please take this as polite, constructive criticism)I'm not sure you're using the word "Contrarian" correctly in your byline thing. Contrarian is most definitely a noun, not an adjective. While it is true that nouns can modify other nouns, using "contrarian" to modify "facts" sounds really awkward to me as a native speaker.

Have a good day,

1:57 PM  
Blogger bobby fletcher said...

Does your FOB-ism or ABC egoism prove I'm a CCP spy? Or discredit any of the publically verifiable citations found on Google?

Where's your Truth? You don't have to answer to me, only to yourself.

8:49 AM  
Blogger bobby fletcher said...

Rez red, here's a Google search you might want to check out:


The phrase "contrarian fact" or "contrarian evidence" is widely used even by professional journalist.

8:52 AM  
Blogger rez red said...


I find it very odd that you're immediately so defensive. I have never called you a spy. No one on my blog has ever called you a spy. That you would immediately go that route is very interesting, if only from a psychological standpoint. Guilty conscience, perhaps?

Also, I'm not sure I appreciate personal attacks: accusing me of being a FOB-er or having ABC egoism is totally uncalled for. Again, I have NEVER personally insulted you, nor do I appreciate you resorting to mud-slinging.

All I did was offer constructive criticism of a slight grammar issue, which I'm not going to touch right now since your link didn't work (we can debate grammar later), and you freaked out.

Anyway, I still invite you to continue reading my blog, and I do wish to debate with you in the future. It is not often that I find someone as well-versed on this issue as you are.


9:41 AM  
Blogger bobby fletcher said...

Rez Red, the fact is:

1) your crticism is wrong. The term "contrarian fact" is an widely used idiom. I've already cited you the evidence, I hope you'll retract your unfounded criticism and apologize to me.

2) My reaction is understandable, just look at all the FLG discipel who have left comments in my blog.

3) My English has nothing to do with the facts presented. Why do you bring it up? it's very curious.

4:26 PM  
Blogger rez red said...


It's not an idiom. If anything, it is *really* specialized jargon. You cited no evidence: you provided an unusable link.


11:47 AM  
Blogger bobby fletcher said...

Don't blame me if you have trouble with simple task like copy/paste a link that works. Here it is again:


Where examples such as the below article are found:

www.smartmoney.com/contrarian/index.cfm?story=20060712 ("contrarian fact" used 4 times)

3:03 PM  
Blogger rez red said...


I tried the link again. You were correct: the link worked and it was my error. I apologize for saying the link was unusable.

Of the first ten google searches that the link pulled up, a few of them were comments made by you. Besides that, there is evidently a columnist (whom you cited) who writes as the "Contrarian" and who publishes his own "Contrarian Fact". That does not an idiom make.

However, the more I think about this, the more I see how badly this can be perceived. I never intended to come to your website and personally insult you or your language skills. In high school, I had very effective English teachers whose influence, I fear, have caused me to be overly critical of other peoples' grammar. If I have commented on the fact that English isn't your first language, it wasn't a personal attack: I suppose it was my subconscious reminding me that the grammar and flow of the writing wasn't as fluent as my own is. I hope that makes sense. My own issues with grammar in general colored the tone of what I was saying.

So, again, I am not attempting to insult you personally. While you certainly have shown that people do use the phrase "contrarian fact", it grates on me a bit because it just sounds odd.

That's all. I hope the weather in Seattle is pleasant.

11:54 AM  
Blogger bobby fletcher said...

So as it appears your ABC-whatever doesn't make you any better than my FOB-whatever, does it?

Try Yahoo for more examples:


The word "contrarian" is in face used as adjective, like "contrarian thinker", "contrarian strategy".

5:03 PM  

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