Sunday, August 27, 2006

Melbourne Australia based democracy activist Mr. Zhang Hetse explains why Falun Gong's assertion that increase in trasnplant procedures prove increase in organ harvesting, is questionable:

http://www.observechina.net/info/artshow.asp?ID=40224

1) Kilgour report has the problem of "cherry picking" numbers from Chinese sources to make their case. When a number is advantageous to their case, they accept it without reservation.

2) Linking increase in transplant procedures to increase in available organs ignores the reality in China. 10 years ago there're very few Chinese hospitals hase the medial know-how to perform one or type of organ transplant.

The increase in number of transplant procecures can be explained with medical advancement in more hospitals, allowing use of more types of organs that has been available but can not be transplanted previousely due to lack of technical expertise, equipment, facilities, etc..

[And finally, what Falun Gong can not explain away is, Wu and Zhang have been long time Chinese dissident, and they have no reason to cooperate with Beijing.]

18 Comments:

Blogger Dave said...

perhaps money is a factor for them?

Money paid by the Chinese communist party?

Perhaps money is what motivates Bobby Fletcher?

Here is a reference to organ harvesting that carries a bit more merit:

http://www.theepochtimes.com/211,111,,1.html

happy reading.

- Dave

9:59 AM  
Blogger bobby fletcher said...

David with hidden blog profile, commenting in the shadow, with strong attachement to fear and deceit - where's your Truth?

Where's your proof for your "Perhaps"?

No one pays me. This Truth shows you are going down the evil path of worldly attachment to ad hominem attack.

Turn back from the slippery slope of false practitioning before it's too late.

Epoch Times is paid for by Falun Gong, and everybody knows it's FLG's official propaganda department.

Happy practitioning.

10:25 AM  
Blogger Dave said...

"quoted from 'Bobby Fletcher' "

"And finally, what Falun Gong can not explain away is, Wu and Zhang have been long time dissident, and they have no reason to cooperate with Beijing. "........

Bobby, you give yourself away. Only a foreigner would make the obvious grammatical error you made above. Your real name cannot be Bobby Fletcher as you are undoubtedly Chinese.

I'm convinced now, more than ever, that you work for the Chinese government as everyone has been saying about you.

I'll continue exposing the atrocities in China as I'm now exposing you!

Here is another one of your grammatical errors :

"Turn back from the slippery slope of false practitioning before it's too late.".....

Guess what, 'Bobby'? The word 'practitioning' doesn't exist in the English language.

I've been around enough Chinese people who use English as a second language to know that you are not native born to America. Your name is not Bobby Fletcher.

You refer to my profile not being available. At least I don't have a FAKE profile made from a clown outfit.

Care to tell us who you really are, Bobby? (and who you work for)

10:36 AM  
Blogger bobby fletcher said...

Where's your truth, Dave in the shadow?

First of all, practitioning is a word:

http://www.google.com/search?q=practitioning

Read'em and weep, where's your Truth?

Second of all, I'm not Chinese, as many Taiwanese-Americans will tell you.

There, your "undoubtedly" has been proven false. Where's your Truth?

My blog profile is open to the public, and I have answered anyone who emailed me.

"bobby fletcher" is my blog handle, notice the lower case b and f. I ain't the only one in the world uses blog handle, dave without a last name.

Why are you so afraid to tell the world that you are a FLG disciple? What attachment to anger and hate you exhibit.

Or is that you, Makina?

2:15 PM  
Blogger Dave said...

My name is not Makina. I actually use my real name which is David.


I'm sorry Bobby, practitioning is NOT a word.

Check the dictionary.

Just because other people on the web mistakenly use it, doesn't make it a word.

And I'm not writing on your blog out of hate, it is to correct your misguided notions. You didn't address any of the issues I raised in my last comment.

Face the truth.

I'm pretty sure you are asian, because you make English mistakes that an ESL person from China would make.


Falun Gong is very good for the body and the soul. I haven't been sick in almost 7 years, since I started practicing. Can you say the same about yourself?

3:26 PM  
Blogger Dave said...

here is the post I was referring too. Answer the questions addressed here, if you dare too.

The Chinese communist party has killed more Chinese people in the last 6o years than any other single tyranical organization in the last 5,000 years.

It's a fact that they force abortions on preganant women.

It's a fact that they torture and kill people whom the party does not like.

It's a fact that if you look at a satellite photo of China at night, you see Shanghai and Beijing lit up, the rest of country is dark.

(The US and Europe are lit up from one end to the other at night)

China is dark because of the utter poverty that exists everywhere outside of those two show cities.

Given that forced abortions are a fact in China, is it really that hard to imagine that they kill people they don't like and make a profit from their flesh?

I'd say there is a VERY high probability that organ harvesting from prisoners of conscience and political prisoners is REAL.

In the United States you sometimes have to wait years to get an organ.

In China, you can get one in less than a week.

If the population of China is 4 times larger than the United States, then you should have to wait (1 year/ 4 = 3 months) to get an organ.

That's if they were actually getting them legitimately.

You can go to China and get an organ in less than a week right now.

Do the math. The numbers don't lie.

The Chinese communist party is killing real people for a profit or they are mismatching donors to patients to make a profit.

Either way, the result is very bad.

Now 'Mr. Fletcher' who takes his name (and profile picture) from a puppet on comedycentral.com, why don't you tell us who you really are and who you really work for?

www.comedycentral.com/shows/crank_yankers/cast_characters/characters/bobby_fletcher.jhtml

Looking forward to your reply.

3:36 PM  
Blogger bobby fletcher said...

Dave without a last name, hides his blog profile:

This is my blog, and I'll tolerate you as much as I wish. Who are you to demand answers?

Why should I take you seriousely when you can't even bring yourself to face me like a man. I answer all the email sent to me about my blog. What are you afraid of?

Obviousely "bobby fletcher" is my blog handle. I'm a fan of the Crank Yankers. I ain't the only person in the world uses blog handle. Where's your Truth?

All this personal attack is really just to distract from facts presented. Go after the messenger when you have no answer, right?

After I've proven you are wrong about me being Chinese, you go to that asian bit. Are all asian Chinese spies? Where's your Truth?

Your citation of FLG's organ wait time is wrong. Check the clinical data in my blog, thousands of people in US get organ in 10 days or less. Where's your Truth?

I already blogged about why FLG's reason on increased transplant procedure don't hold water.

As to who killed more innocent people, try looking up how many Native Americans we (yes I'm an American) genocidally eliminated. Recent scholar placed pre-columbian population at around 100-140 million.

Our government subjected Native Americans to forced abortion and stirilization. Oregon has record on forced stirilization as recent as 1984.

And go look at how dark Montana gets at night, is it because of poverty and evil government?

Where's your Truth? Truth is you can't even bring yourself to admint you are a FLG disciple.

5:20 PM  
Blogger bobby fletcher said...

Dave without an email address, "practitioning" is a word, here's an entry from a medical reference dictionary:

http://www.specialistinfo.com/thget.php?t=t_si&r=practitioning

"nurse practitioning"

Where's your Truth?

5:32 PM  
Blogger Dave said...

Bobby (not you're real name), you seem to be a tad bit upset.

Anyway, your readers now know they can go to

http://www.theepochtimes.com/211,111,,1.html

- to get the legitimate facts.

Thanks for sharing your blog.

I have your email address it is:

chliu528@hotmail.com

I think careful inspection of your email address shows that you are Chinese - Liu is a common Chinese surname.

If you think that being Taiwanese is not being Chinese, I disagree.

So you use a Fake Blog handle and picture - you have a Chinese name in your email address and you tell people you are not Chinese.

I guess your credibility is pretty much SHOT with me at this point.

Thanks for sharing these comments with your readers because they need to know the truth about who and what you are.

I never said anything about you being a spy. - You said that. I only said you were Chinese.

So Bobby, are you now admitting that you are a spy working for the Chinese government then?

Is that the reason you take on a puppets name from comedy central?

I guess your revelation about that doesn't surprise me much.

- Dave ( my actual real name)

8:55 PM  
Blogger bobby fletcher said...

Dave with no last name, no email, hidden blog profile:

I will leave your comments for the world to see, so they know what FLG disciples are like.

You have not send me any email, pretty much demonstrates you have strong attachment to fear and deceit. I answer all my emails, you've only need to ask.

Where's your truth?

You just accused me of being a spy, didn't you? Now your true color shows. The only problem is you have no proof, just spoting out because you have no answer for the facts presented. I'll venture a guess anyone who disagree with you are spies, right?

Where's your Truth?

11:18 PM  
Blogger Dave said...

Charles Liu,

I did not accuse you of being a spy, you said that yourself in your blog posts.

Those who are interested can go to http://clearwisdom.net (English) or http://mingui.ca (Chinese) to get the facts about the persecution in China inlcuding the Organ Harvesting charges.

The person who created this blog uses a Fake name and a fake picture taken straight from the Comedy Central website. (Bobby Fletcher)

His eamail address is:

chliu528@hotmail.com


This pretty much demonsrates his real name is not 'Bobby Fletcher' and that he is Chinese, though he denied it in his posts.

I want everyone who reads this to know the truth about this person so that you are not easily deceived by him.

- Dave

5:58 AM  
Blogger bobby fletcher said...

Dave, it's obvious you are not interested in honest discussion, only personal attacks:

- blog handle and nickname is a common convention.

- I don't mind you promoting me, as my email is open to public in my profile. Compare to you with no last name and hidden profile.

- Everything I cited is publically verifiable information.

- My last name proving I'm Chinese only make sense in you racist mind.

- You accused me of being paid without providing a shred of proof.

Thank you for showing the world the true colors of Falun Gong disciples.

10:33 AM  
Blogger Dave said...

I'd like to say again, that anyone who would like to know the truth about what is happening in China, should visit:

http://www.theepochtimes.com/211,111,,1.html

or http://clearwisdom.net

or http://minghui.ca

Thank you very much.

- Dave ( my real name)

1:48 PM  
Blogger bobby fletcher said...

Dave, it's obvious you are not interested in honest discussion, only personal attacks:

- blog handle and nickname is a common convention.

- I don't mind you promoting me, as my email is open to public in my profile. Compare to you with no last name and hidden profile.

- Everything I cited is publically verifiable information.

- My last name proving I'm Chinese only make sense in you racist mind.

- You accused me of being paid without providing a shred of proof.

Thank you for showing the world the true colors of Falun Gong disciples.

BTW, practitioning IS a word.

10:40 PM  
Blogger Bob Waters said...

The word you're looking for is "practicing."

Like "Where is your truth?," "practitionering" is idiomatically bad English.

BTW, since you seem able to spam the Internet virtually full time and are not supported by the Chinese government, what do you do for a living?

12:38 PM  
Blogger Bob Waters said...

Oh, and BTW... the United States, unlike Communist China, hasn't murdered 77 million people. The government for which you are a spokesman is far and away the most murderous in human history.

12:46 PM  
Blogger bobby fletcher said...

Bob, since you've censored me I know you are not into honest discussion.

But it's beneath me to censor you.

I'm afraid your English is not as good as you think. "practitioning " is a word:

http://www.google.com/search?q=practitioning

3:18 PM  
Blogger Richard said...

"Oh, and BTW... the United States, unlike Communist China, hasn't murdered 77 million people. The government for which you are a spokesman is far and away the most murderous in human history."

Of course those native Americans you've dislocated and sent to reservations aren't really Americans. And of course those Blacks sold into slavery and murdered doesn't count. And 77 million? LMAO don't pull crap out of your arse.

2:09 AM  

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