Tuesday, June 13, 2006

Sujiatun story that came from years ago, and wasn't about Sujiatun then?

Here's an example of Falun Gong people "snowballing" these heresay and unverified tall tales and twisting them into bigger and bigger accusation, thanks to "The Big Lie" principle.

Here's a March 2006 "Sujiatun Auschwitz" article:

(warning: distrubing autopsy photo)

http://falunhr.org/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=1495

"Mr. Wang passed away at age 47. However, two of hospital's doctors took out his hearts and brain. The photo shows that his body had been cut open."

This story and appears to be the same Wang Bin from a 2000 Clear Widom article:

http://clearwisdom.net/emh/articles/2000/11/16/6164.html

However, the original story in 2000 stated autopsy was performed on Wang for murder investigation, and the incisions around the neck area, as shown in the photo, was to see if Wang was strangled. It is standard procedure to reveal the hyoid bone and tissue.

If you look at the photo, you'll see most of the incisions are around the neck area, yet there's no neck organ for transplantation. I showed the photo to a pathologist, and he disagree with the March 2006 article's claim.

7 Comments:

Blogger Cream said...

The neck organ in question is the larynx that is being used in transplantation.The larynx is not an organ but rather bands of fibers in the throat. Parts of the esophagus may also be removed from the neck area to be transplanted. The thyroid and parathyroid glands are also extracted. They are not really organs but are hormone glands. The full gland is not used for transplant as a rule but rather tissue is used for research and development of medicine. It still comes under the heading of "Organ Harvesting" because it is tissue that is being harvested. There are some experiments on bronchial and tracheal transplantation too. So I believe I have thrown your argument on the neck incision right out of the water. Also lymph nodes and hormones are found in the neck along with blood samples from major arteries that can form T cell differentiation synthesis for analysis to produce catecholemines and natural steroid process in medication formation and delivery methods. This is all possible from the neck and leads to some financial gains to the hardy scientist and their company. A great portion of the world's pharmaceuticals are made in China.
During an autopsy the organs are not always removed and when one or two are they are always put back in the body as they are not usable except for research purposes. I have been in the medical profession since 1978 and I find the Bobby Fletcher's remarks on organ harvesting and autopsies are not only groundless but also medically unethical. If an organ was to be donated for research during autopsy or to be used for other purposes there must always be consent given by the family of the deceased. We have seen what has happened in Europe and Africa with regards to genocides and persecutions. There is also the Memorial of Sighet in Romania, which houses the International Studies on Communism and was the sight of a horrific persecution before becoming a place for study. Body parts of dead prisoners from around Europe during the second World War were used for all kinds of experiments without any consent from family who were often not notified of the death or where abouts of the person. It is highly possible that Falun Gong and others in China are being persecuted to such an extent that their organs could be removed before death and within 20 minutes after death. After 20 minutes they are no longer usable and are considered dead tissue that is not revivable. The only tissue that can possibly be used is skin kept in a skin bank. The law always states "guilty until proven innocent" so we must hold the CCP in this regard until we can prove they are innocent without the use of lies. How would we feel if the world came up with photos and substantial evidence that opened up such a crime and persecution and earlier we denied it was happening. Bobby how do you feel right now about any persecution that is going on anywhere in the world.? Do you promote it or do you deny it is happening? Or do you want to do something to end that violence? I would not want to be the person with their face in their hands once the organ harvesting and persecution of anyone in China is fully revealed. You will never be believed again. It is better to air on the side of caution and think this could really be going on.
Any of this information can be checked on any of the online medical journals.http://www.medscape.com/viewpublication/1005_index

12:31 AM  
Blogger bobby fletcher said...

cream, your long post saying stuff you have no proof or linkage may hold a little water - except even according to Falun Gong's own evidence an autopsy was performed:

http://clearwisdom.net/emh/articles/2000/11/16/6164.html

I guess you didn't read my blog. If you want pathologist review of the photo shoot me an email, yet another shadow commenter.

1:19 AM  
Blogger Cream said...

OK. Bobby, Here is a case pdf.http://www.dh.gov.uk/assetRoot/04/06/50/47/04065047.pdf

Another case: http://www.unhchr.ch/tbs/doc.nsf/0/6e42c6631acecfafc1256d2d00457e8d/$FILE/G0340980.pdf

http://www.unhchr.ch/tbs/doc.nsf/(Symbol)/CAT.C.SR.467.En?Opendocument

www.ohchr.org/english/about/publications/docs/part2_2.pdf - 2004-04-19

http://www.un.org/Overview/rights.html

http://www.who.int/ethics/topics/transplantation_guiding_principles/en/index2.html
In China family and loved ones are not given a chance to be for or against the organ removal because they are not notified of the death and can't see the body either.

ttp://www.who.int/ethics/topics/transplantation_guiding_principles/en/index1.html

http://www.who.int/transplantation/organ/en/
In China there is no valid consent given for organ removal and neither is it kept on record, which it is supposed to be according to the WHO.
http://www.transplantation-soc.org/downloads/ConsensusStatementfinal.pdf
http://www.searo.who.int/EN/Section1243/Section1310/Section1343/Section1344/Section1672_7144.htm
http://www.searo.who.int/LinkFiles/Regional_Health_Forum_rhf.pdf

http://clearwisdom.net/emh/articles/2000/11/16/6164.html
This was labelled an autopsy and reported as such but there is no proof as to the authenticy of an autopsy. What is the full review or was it just a look at the body? I only believe such things when I am looking at the full autopsy document. Many lay people tend to state that a simple look over is an autopsy. I want to see the tissue analysis, blood samples, hair samples, etc. What is often documented in China and elsewhere as an autopsy is not a true autopsy. It sometimes is an "well lets look at the body as we throw it into the morgue slot." For an autopsy I want a full history of the person physical status that goes back at least a few years. I also want a family history.
I thought you would respond similar to what you did. I simply do not understand why you do not post the full pathologist report stuff. Can you explain?

3:55 PM  
Blogger bobby fletcher said...

Cream, if you want the pathologist review, send me an email.

10:44 PM  
Blogger Cream said...

I'm not sending you no email because you are a CCP spy. Once you have an email address who knows what kind of spyware will be sent to my computer. Besides in the E Blogger agreement there is a code of privacy and confidentiality that pertains to my information and I said I would adhere to that and so I am. If you want your arguments verified to the public you will put on your blog.

10:37 AM  
Blogger bobby fletcher said...

There are privacy issues involved.

If you can't even go get a throw-away email, then you have no right to demand anything. Go find a pathologist and have it reviewed yourself.

Until then you have no proof. It's easy to say I'm a spy, where's your proof?

Whare's the "Truth" Falun Gong disciple value so much? You are going down the slippery slope of evil cultivation and attachment.

Face it, even Falun Gong's own evidence back in 2000 said autopsy for Wang Bin was performed:

http://clearwisdom.net/emh/articles/2000/11/16/6164

6:12 PM  
Blogger bobby fletcher said...

Please email Dr. Allison, the guy who wrote a position paper in favor of Kilgour/Matas report.

After I pointed out the photos are autopsy photos, he forwarded this mistake to Kilgour/Matas:

- FLG's own evidence stated an autopsy was performed, and no mention or organ harvesting was made in 2000

- the Y incision arund the neck is to reveal the hyoid bone for signs of strangulation

- removal of heart and brain is consistent with the Rokytanski Method

- the baseball sutures are applied postmortem and typical for autopsy.

6:17 PM  

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